Episode 18 - Follow up on what's a "safe" and answering the AR upper Question

This week we talk about what we did with Guns, I ran my Savage 64 and my Dad’s Buck Mark and Tom got a new holster and an update as to where is Grand Power is. We also talk about Micheal Woodard and his self defense shooting. Thanks to some feed back from Byran and Kevin we re-visit a couple topics we mentioned when talking with Toby and Sticks…. what makes a safe a safe and what about AR uppers and reporting changes to the CFO. We finish the show off with some jaw jacking (about 40mins of it), talking about what podcasts we listen to and well just stuff a couple of gun enthusiasts would jaw on about at the coffee shop.

Thomas got a new holster

Ammoland Article on Micheal Woodard

Brian Lilley and Soloman Friedman discuss the Woodard Case

What is a Safe –

[19] Even where a gun storage unit is described as a “safe”, there may be considerable variations in its characteristics, including size, weight, wall thickness, the location of the hinges, the nature of the locking mechanism and resistance to water or fire(: see, for example, exhibits 3A, 3B, 7 A, 7B, 10, 11, 13.) Unlike jurisdictions such as California, Parliament has not chosen to designate minimum standards for gun safes or certify certain types of safes as meeting the regulatory requirements.

[20] The concerns expressed by Mr. Press about the vulnerability of gun storage units, such as those belonging to Mr. Barnes, to bolts cutters, sledge hammers and other methods of forced entry are understandable. Yet, Mr. Cornblum’s observation, that given time and the right degree of skill, all safes are vulnerable to being broken into, is a valid one.

[21] Since a breach of the regulation leads to a criminal charge, there must be a discernable standard for licensed individuals to meet in storing automatic firearms: seeR. v. Smillie, supra at~35. In my view, an interpretation of the word “safe” in its ordinary, dictionary meaning of a metal container with a secure lock is consistent with the objectives of the legislation and the intent of Parliament.

22] I find that the cabinets in which the defendant’s prohibited firearms were stored fall within the definition of a· safe. Both ofthe lockers in which the prohibited firearms were stored were made of steel. Each cabinet was securely locked: one by a key and a padlock; the other by a locking system that uses a key to unbolt rods in the door from the frame of the unit. Indeed,

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the units were securely locked. The Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there

was non-compliance with the regulation. The charges are dismissed.

AR Uppers – When do you have to notify the CFO of a change

In regards to informing the CFP about changes to a firearm, you have to notify them within 30 days of a permanent change to a firearm, and if temporary and still in place after 30 days, immediately thereafter. So temporarily swapping an AR upper, no notification required, as long as the registered upper is replaced on the firearm in the following 30 days.

Here is the regulation:

Firearms Registration Certificates Regulations (SOR/98-201)

4. (1) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar, within 30 days after the
modification, of
(a) any modification to the firearm that results in a change of class of the firearm;
(b) in the case of a firearm registered as a frame or receiver only, any
modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition;
(c) any modification to an altered automatic firearm; and
(d) any modification that results in the firearm ceasing to be a firearm.

(2) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that when the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm is modified, the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar of the modification,

(a) if the modification is intended to be permanent, within 30 days after the modification; and
(b) if the modification is not intended to be permanent but still exists 30
days after it is made, without delay after that period.